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READER MESSAGES Late April 2001 Page 2 of 3


The view from just off Cheetham Hill Road near Crumpsall
Over there - City of Salford - Over here - City of Manchester

Name: steve pottage
E-Mail: s.pottage@site-electrical.co.uk
Website:
From or connections with: Crumpsall
Present Location: Crumpsall
Subject:
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Reader Message:
Dear Aidan
In reference to my earlier message regarding the Manchester City council area. I as a Manchester City resident do not agree that residents of other boroughs of Greater Manchester should have a say in the decisions relating to the City of Manchester, just as I do not feel I should have a say in the decisions made relating to other borough council areas.

If the residents of these other boroughs would like a say in our City they can always move in to within the city boundaries & put their money where their mouths are.
Steve Pottage, Crumpsall

Hmmm! The City of Manchester boundary is a historical anomaly. It's not people that should uproot themselves to fit in with the boundary, but the boundary itself that should be moved, or rather, a new Manchester local government system should be created which encompasses all of the areas that make up Manchester, not just some of them! Thanks for your message, dissenting views are always welcome here!



Bridgewater Hall


'The Struggle for Peace and Freedom'
City of Manchester-sponsored sculpture
outside the Town Hall extension, St Peters Square

 


Barbirolli Square, Arndale Centre


Piccadilly Gardens in sunshine 1999

 

Name: Tom Deveny
E-Mail: desta@pathcom.com.ca
Website:
From or connections with: Whitefield
Present Location: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Subject: Piccadilly Gardens
EWM Photo:
Reader Message: Dear Aidan
Dear Aidan,

Reading the comments regarding the City's plans for Piccadilly Gardens, I was reminded of an experience that I had some years ago on a visit to Manchester. While doing my usual walking tour of the Victorian heart of the city I dropped in to the Town Hall to admire the craftsmanship of the masons that built it. Rounding a corner, I came upon a wonderful triple bust of Sir John Barbirolli in full flight, his arms outstretched, hair flying, and that quirky left thumb of his sticking out in a way that brought back a flood of memories.
It is a work of art that captures the spirit of the man who did so much for Manchester, and his story is part of the story of the city during and after the Second World War. My delight soon turned to shame and anger when I realised that the bust was seriously damaged and had been shoved out of the way into a corner. It seemed unbelievable to me that such indignities should be heaped upon a man who almost single handedly brought the city onto the world musical stage.
It was then that I remembered Sir John's ongoing battles for support from the city council of those days, and wondered if this might be some belated revenge. Later while walking through the garish and strangely grubby looking Arndale Centre I saw that one of the walkways was named after Sir John. I shudder to think what he would have thought of this.

If an individual does not remember who they are and where they came from, they are considered to have a serious handicap and I believe this to be true also of a community. It seems obvious to me that the people making these planning changes to the city are indifferent to their heritage.

This area of the city can and should be kept open and developed into a central park with fine hotels and gardens that would bring visitors and wealth to the community.

It is interesting to note that when the old Market Stede Lane was widened and renamed Market Street at the beginning of the nineteenth century, it was done so by an act of Parliament obtained by the Police Commissioners and not by the city council. Perhaps some of the area Members of Parliament could be persuaded to become involved.

Nowadays when people travel so easily to such cities as Budapest or Vienna or any one of the other fine cities of Europe they have no excuse for not knowing what can be done.
Finding your website has given me a lot of pleasure and I congratulate you on a fine job.
Regards Tom Deveny

I wonder what Sir John would have made of the decision by Manchester City Council to sell off the former home of the Halle Orchestra, the Free Trade Hall (originally built 1854) to a private developer to be incorporated into a luxury hotel! Mind you, there was probably no other alternative, as in the present climate, the preservation of uneconomic historic buildings is not a priority.

There's a statue of Sir John Barbirolli outside the Bridgewater Hall, I will include a picture of it soon.



Piccadilly Gardens 1998


Piccadilly Market St end, with
statue of Peel (to be moved)

Name: Ken Snelson
Website:
From or connections with: Cross Lane Salford
Present Location: Christchurch New Zealand
Subject: Piccadilly Gardens
EWM Photo: http://www.aidan.co.uk.co.uk/eyewitness-in-manchester/001ewm/4
Reader Message:

Dear Aidan
Nobody in there right mind would denude or (rape) a city with no green heart in its CBD of what little it had. One of the first things the Early settlers did in Both New Zealand and Australia was to create for future generations Gardens and reserves for public use in the heart of the new city centres. We are forever grateful to the founding fathers of Christchurch, for their foresight in creating this Magnificent Garden City. One 'Cast in Stone' edict of this city reads:

"For every 8 acres of land to be developed 1 acre must be handed over to the city for use as a public Park"

It's a sad commentary that Manchester City Fathers still Have not learned how valuable trees, flowers, and open space are. They are the LUNGS of the city. This crazy action should haunt those resposible for ever. I grew up having to walk 10 mins to Peel Park to see a tree. This kind of stipidity will I'm sure sadden all people with a soft spot for our original hometown. Keep up the good work keeping us informed

Regards Ken Snelson


Piccadilly public meeting, Cross St Chapel, August 1999

 


Manchester City Council Leader Richard Leese
with property developer Carol Ainscow, the
person behind some excellent city centre
developments, including digitally connected
work and living spaces in the former Daily
Express Building, Great Ancoats Street.

Allow me to speak out in defence of the local authority, and pass on their assurances that there will be plenty of trees and green spaces in the new Piccadilly. In fact, the total grassed over area will increase, as the old house, nearby walls, flower beds and other redundant areas will be removed.

It's important to understand the reasons underlying the decision to put a building on the gardens. As City of Manchester local authority Chief Executive Howard Bernstein told us at a public meeting in August 1999, the regeneration of Piccadilly can only come about by creating 'quality economic linkages' e.g. between London Road, the Metrolink stop, London Road, Oldham St and Portland St.

If I understood him correctly, only an expensive, high quality regeneration job - costing £10m I believe - can achieve this, and so part of the Gardens had to be sold off for an office development in order to provide the cash. Another council official told us that he expected that the people of Manchester would like the new Piccadilly when it's completed.

And in a tv interview, I remember Leader of the Council Richard Leese saying it was 'sad' that objectors to the building were standing in the way of new development, especially as so many good things were happening in the city, thanks to the efforts of Manchester City Council.

I wonder, if the City of Manchester had a cash surplus, would they still have decided to put a building on Piccadilly Gardens?


Name: Garnet Hoyes
E-Mail: garnet@nsrc.or.th
Website:
From or connections with: SALFORD
Present Location: Thailand
Subject: Salford thumbnails
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Reader Message:
Dear Aidan
I've been at it again, looking through your thumbnails til the early hours ! Had the idea it would be good if for example we could select say "Salford Thumbnails" or if the pics were grouped in districts so we from any particular district could get our fil.
Thanks and don't stop .
Garnet.

To do this by hand would be an enormous task, as there are currently over 2,300 photographs in Eyewitness in Manchester. Each time I add new photographs, I would have to go back and update every thumbnail page with the new photographs. In co-operation with my colleagues at Manchester online, I am currently working on a new system for publishing Eyewitness in Manchester. I have made some trial pages experimenting with various layouts. I've used some of my UAE photographs. Please have a look and let me have your comments and suggestions. You'll find the pages at www.photo-vr.com/uae/2001/.


Victoria Station Interior
Victoria Station Exterior from Hunt's Bank
Walker's Croft
Victoria Station and CIS Building

Name: ChrisWright
E-Mail: cawright1@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.neonneon.80sxchange.com
From or connections with: Born central Manchester - Old St Mary's. (The Manc 'Bow Bells')
Present Location: Radcliffe - Manchester
Subject: Secrets of Victoria Station?
Reader Message:
Dear Aidan. Could you offer any input on this? My father - who recently passed away, God rest his soul - lived and worked in Manchester for all of his 69 years. He used to tell me that beneath Victoria station there are ancient houses and shops!!!
Apparently he ventured in there many years ago whilst working for a haulage firm in the town centre. He insisted recently that these premises were still there. Beneath Vic station, in all their cobwebbed, musky, mysterious glory. He even said that he believed 'tours' could be organised for any interested parties.
Were you aware of this? Can you fill us in more? Any chances of some pics?
Finally - without question, your work is magnificent. Please keep it up.

Victoria Station was first opened on Hunt's Bank - now the entrance to the MEN Arena - in 1844, but by 1880 it had been extended as far as Long Millgate, completely covering the River Irk, which still flows underneath it. Walker's Croft follows the line of the river bank, but ends abruptly below the station approach. I would have thought that all houses would first have been demolished to make way for construction of a brick undercroft to support the station. However, it could be that remnants of old buildings still survive. I know that there are many tunnels under Manchester city centre which, like the Air Raid Shelters in Stockport, could perhaps make an excellent tourist attraction. I'll see if I can find out more.


Name: Neil Barmann
E-Mail: ashkenazi@usa.net
From or connections with: Cheetham
Present Location: Bayonne, New Jersey, USA
Subject: an American with Manchester roots
Reader Message:

Dear Aidan
I have just found Manchester Online and I have been looking at the pictures with great interest. My mother was born in the USA, but her family emigrated from Manchester in the 19th century and I have been trying to trace my Manchester roots in my spare time for over a year now.

I have a copy of my grandfather's birth certificate from the PRO, and I have learned from that document that when he was born in 1870, the family lived at 5 Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester. Are there any pictures available of that block? Yes, I realize that by now, that location may well have become a parking lot for some adjacent business; however, it would make me very happy to see it just the same.

I am trying to organize my life in order to have myself a holiday in Manchester in September or October of this year. By the way, my family names were Phillips and Woolf. I would enjoy hearing from anyone in the Manchester area who may be related to me.

Stocks Street is still there, but is now a place of industrial premises and warehouses. It runs parallel with Cheetham Hill Road, in the Cheetham area, which has a rich and fascinating Jewish heritage. When you are in Manchester, there are two places you must visit. First, the Manchester Jewish Museum, on Cheetham Hill Road, just round the corner from Stocks St, and second the Local Studies Unit in the Central Library where you'll find many old photographs of this and other areas of Manchester. I hope to take a photograph of Stocks Street the next time I'm in that area.



Sunset over the mosque? No, sunset
over Strangeways Prison!

Name: Peter Foy
E-Mail: pncfoy@skynet.ca
Website:
From or connections with: Oldham but Policed the North side of Manchester
Present Location: London Ontario Canada
Subject: Sunset over Strangeways, front gate to Strangeways
EWM Photo:
Reader Message:
Dear Aidan,Once again you have excelled yourself in the collection of pictures you put on the EWM web site. The ones of Strangeways intrigue me very much as I spent many hours as a fresh out school young Bobby walking a beat in the shadows of that famous house of correction.
Your recent Manchester Quiz was fantastic and I managed to get 45 of 52 right.
Keep up the good work .
Peter Foy

Thank you very much, and I think I'll restrict my photographs of Strangeways Prison, now HMP Manchester to exterior shots!


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