With the utmost respect Phil, do not take offence or this to heart, my experiences are from 30 years living in Harpurhey (1/4 mile away from the new casino) and many good people still live in Harpurhey by the way, none wealthy though and far too many in serious health problems and unable to get out of this deprived part of Manchester… a good debate though nonetheless.
BELOW THE MINIMUM WAGE and why so many companies are employing migrant workers:
The loop hole is; temporary work through agencies, different Law applies to them, set by the unelected EU.
“Equal treatment rights in relation to pay need not apply where the agency
worker’s assignment lasts no longer than six weeks, or where the agency
worker is employed by the agency on a permanent contract and is paid
between assignments.”
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This link ONLY talks about the National Wage, no mention of Migrant Workers.
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Did you bother to read my earlier post about Las Vegas, or do any research yourself?
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Yes and Yes
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You completely miss my point re your statement about the minimum wage. The following is totally inaccurate and you haven't corrected it.
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Nope, I understood it fully. In my opinion your facts and research will have to be updated.
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The ACAS page I referred to is the most straightforward and simple laying out of the law as it stands. It is TOTALLY illegal for companies not to pay the minimum wage to persons employed who are 22 and over and not listed in para 3 of that page. There are NO other exceptions.
There is an urban myth circulating both in the UK and Ireland that people from Eastern Europe don't have to be paid as much and is being used to inflate anti-Eastern European worker feeling. It comes from the fact that workers from those countries working legally are prepared to accept the minimum wage whereas the natives of the two countries reject that level of pay as "not enough". Also, the self employed (who are exempt) will work for less than their counterparts in the two countries. Trying getting a UK or Irish plasterer or plumber and check their rates IF they turn up. The Poles will turn up and charge less.
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The Myth might be in your own mind, you say “There are NO other exceptions” check out temporary agency work? If you had, you would have known that most migrant workers are working through agencies, and agency work has its own set of rules which allow wages lower than the national legal wages.
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Las Vegas
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Las Vegas multitude of wealth, compare that to poverty stricken Bradford and its single super casino, absolutely no comparison what so ever. USA have totally different approach to business than they do in Britain.
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Belle Vue
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Different age different world completely, We have the government encouraging discrimination, we have the government giving the nations wealth to the rest of the world, and an NHS for the world, Wages kept down so interests rates are better managed. We have no powerful Unions; we live in a world where the slightest of words could cause death all over the world. The government in my opinion is far worse than Thatcher’s regime, at least I knew where I stood with Thatcher. Manchester is not the same ‘Manchester’ you use to know, you can’t refer to Las Vegas and Belle Vue and expect those references to apply to North Manchester in today’s world.
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learned their jobs by starting at the bottom
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10s of 1000s of decent people did just that, now they have become redundant and are having to fight for low paid jobs with the desperate and the poorest people from the ex-communist block.
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If the locals can't be bothered to try for the jobs and take advantage of what's on offer, that's their problem.
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READ THE FOLLOWING LINK!
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Surely the people in the area should go out to make the jobs their own.
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far too simplistic, read this link.
Harpurhey, the worst place in England
do you think all the poor and less well off people all chose to live in Harpurhey? Hardly a coincidence!
Absolutely NO WAY will this rich mans toy benefit the local community! HOW I ask? The good people of North Manchester was lead to believe they would have jobs when the Commonwealth stadium was built, I know not of one single person who works there to this day, also I have had a season ticket for 4 years and have never bumped into anyone I know or vaguely knew who works there, plenty of ‘not so good’ English speaking workers there to serve you your food or help you cross the car park mind. Don’t take my word for it, take a look for yourself.
Maybe all those ex-communist members of the Labour party still have a soft spot for their comrades from the old soviet block?
If I could afford to live outside this country I would too!