Name:
Mike Clarke
Website:
From or connections with: c-on-m, fallowfield
Present Location: Launceston , Tasmania.
Subject:
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Reader Message: Dear Aidan
Hello again. It's been a quier sort of a month don't you think ? The events
of Sept 11th have changed the way the world turns. I'm not sure why ?
Such terror has been visited upon many over the years. Oh not with such
scale, and not live on tv, but to those who have suffered, the size of
the devistation hardly matters.
I have stood a top the Trade towers. A quarter mile,straight up. Never
thought I'd see the day they were not there.
I'll leave it to those who love to spoil the world for the rest of us,
while I focus on reaching my three score years and ten without much mishap.
About the tunnel system in (under) Manchester. My first job (1970) was
as a commi-chef working at the Mariners Resturant in 'Old Bank Lane' (?)
which runs from St.Anns Sq along the side of the Royal Exchange building.
Half way along there's a large gate with a hydrolic lift big enough to
take a truck. It drops down to a roadway that runs the length of the building,
and at the far end smaller tunnels run off in various directions. I was
shown them once around 1971/2. I seem to remember than one ran up Market
St, while another ran under the old M&S bulding ?
The skating rink (roller skates, not ice) spoken of in your last readers
letters, stood on the corner of Dickenson Road and Upper Brook St. Diagonally
opposit the gates into Birch Park. It closed as a rink in the 1960's and
became the 'Oceans Eleven' night club, later it became a disco (my time),
but I'm buggered if I can remember the name now !
Anyway I'll get this off to you now.
All the best,
Mike.
Thank
you for your message - It was called The International Club and now it's
Venus Foods, a Turkish supermarket. Those tunnels under the centre sound
fascinating. In the previous Reader Messages update, Diane Norton mentioned
a cold war tunnel entrance near Grosvenor Street. The photo above right
shows the westbound sliproad to the Mancunian Way from London Rd/Downing
Street (A6). The entrance to the tunnel is next to the electricity substation
on the left.
Name: John Duffield
Website:
From or connections with: Middleton
Present Location: Poole
Subject: Where's Grosvenor Place?!!
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Reader Message: Dear Aidan,
I was born in Manchester but left aged 10 only to return to go to University.
I spent my first year in "Grosvenor Place", a hall of residence
circa 5 stories tall, and shaped something like this:
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It was probably built in the sixties, of red brick. Has it gone? The swimming
centre looks as if it must have wiped a part of it out at least. Happy
days!
Regards
No,
it is still there. The swimming pool complex was built on an empty lot
- No buildings were demolished to make way for it.
Name:
JOHN
Website:
From or connections with: NEWTON HEATH / CRUMPSALL / HARPURHEY
Present Location: MIDDELTON
Subject: PUBS AT THE CORNERS OF MOSTON LANE / ROCHDALE RD
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Reader Message: Dear Aidan
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP SETTLE AN ARGUEMENT AS TO HOW MANY PUBS STOOD AT THE
CORNERS OF MOSTON LANE / ROCHDALE ROAD IN THE EARLY 60'S. OME SAY THREE
SOME FOUR. HELP!
This
photo, taken yesterday, may help. On the Factory Lane side there are two
pubs, the Golden Tavern on the left, and the Top Derby / Derby Inn on
the right, now disused. On the Moston Lane side, you'll now find the rear
of the Asda petrol station and a Macdonalds. The other side of Moston
Lane is an empty site. As for how it looked in the early sixties, I'll
have to look in the... you guessed it, the Local Studies Unit at the Central
Library!
Name:
james lynch
Website:
From or connections with: salford brow, waterloo rd school,cheetham
Present Location: Windsor Ontario Canada
Subject: keeping in touch
EWM Photo:
Reader Message: Dear Aidan, I lived at Salford Brow and went to Waterloo
rd school and then to ST Shomas of Canterbury school. I then worked in
Greengate and Irwell. My playground was the Cliff (Landslide),Red Bank,
Strangeways and Peel Park. I worked on M/C buses for ten years as a conductor
and really enjoyed the job, you meet lots of people. The article on Derby
st was most informative I lived near Mezzappa st which was all Jewish,no
problems I can recall, I enjoy Jewish food.
The area I used to live (Salford Brow) used to be a brick works years
ago.Jim Lynch
Thanks
for contacting - The places you mention are all there, but look very different
now from when you lived there. Here's a picture of two Transport Museum
buses which I hope will bring back good memories.
Name: James Lynch
Website:
From or connections with: Salford Brow, Waterloo Rd School, Cheetham
Present Location: Windsor Ontario Canada
Subject: Rialto Cinema
EWM Photo:
Reader Message: Dear Aidan, I used to go to the Rialto cienma, one would
pay and then go to the washroom and then let our friends in. There was
a cinema on Broughton Lane. I saw the Beast with Five Fingers there and
it scared me pretty bad. There was another cinema on Broughton Lane and
Great Clowes st and another one on Great Clowes st and Broughton Bridge.
Jim
I believe
the Broughton Bridge cinema is still there, though no longer used as a
cinema. I hope to take a photograph the next time I'm down that way.
Name:
Glenn
Website:
From or connections with: Didsbury
Present Location: London
Subject: Piccadilly Gardens
EWM Photo:
Reader Message: Dear Aidan
Two things. Firstly, many thanks for putting together such a wonderful
web site. I lived in Manchester until 1984, and looking at the site brings
back many good memories.
Secondly, I was interested to see the comment about part of Piccadilly
Gardens having been donated for what would seem to have been a charitable
purpose in around 1910. When such a bequest is made, it usually prevents
the land subsequently being disposed of for a commercial benefit without
certain Court ordered provisions to apply the funds which have been realised
for a similar charitable purpose. Does anyone know whether this point
might arise here?
Glenn
Hmmm,
I'm not a legal expert, so I can't comment! However, Philip Atkins in
his 'Guide Across Manchester' wrote the following in reference to Piccadilly,
i.e. the land around the flower gardens:
"Until the 18th century this land was on the outskirts of the town
and known as the Daub Holes, since the clay for house building was dug
here, leaving holes that filled with rain to form ponds. In 1755 the Lord
of the Manor, Sir Oswald Mosley, gave the land for the building of a new
Infirmary on the condition that it was always kept for public use."
The Manchester City Council-sponsored office block (above right) currently
under construction on the Portland St end of Piccadilly Gardens occupies
part of the land donated by Sir Oswald Mosley, so it would appear, correct
me if I'm wrong, that the current council have gone against his wishes.
I wonder where he is buried, and if he is turning in his grave.
Name:
Peter Ridgway
Website:
From or connections with: Wythenshawe/Ancoats
Present Location: Cheshire
Subject: St Thomas Church/Ancoats
EWM Photo:
Reader Message: Dear Aidan
Regarding the St Thomas Church at Ardwick, this has now been taken over
by the Council for Voluntary Service.
I was born in Lawton Moor, Wythenshawe and worked in the family busines
in Clarion Street Ancoats for 35 years, and I was wondering if any of
your readers remember some of the shops and places on and around Oldham
Road Ancoats;
Harold and Betty Lyons Hardware and fancy goods shop
Denis's the sweets and tobaconnists
The Tripe works of Poland street
Oldham Road Goods yard where the Royal Mail and Wing Yip are now
Cuffwrights that sold all tipes of rope and string
The cobblers shop that was in the Victoria Dwellings
The Wet Fish shop
Yetz the dentist, The Manchester & Salford Trustee Savings Bank on
the corner of Livesey street, The Apollo Inn on Livesey street
( the landlady was a Mrs Canon), then there was the Catholic Repository
shop on Livesey street that was owned by two spinster ladies
Those were the days when Ancoats was quite a thriving community.
Always good to read the letters
Keep up the good work
Some interesting
documentary material there, helping to piece together that district before
it disintegrated. Ancoats is set to become, hopefully, a thriving community
again.
Name:
Ian Rhodes
From or connections with: Centre
Present Location: Stockport
Subject: Shudehill
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Reader Message: Dear Aidan,
Great stuff, as ever. I notice there is some debate about place/street
names and uncertainty about where 'Shudehill' comes from. I don't wish
to teach anyone to suck eggs, but 'Origins od Street Names in the City
Centre of Manchester' by L D Bradshaw is a good investment.
It isn't definitive about Shudehill, except to say that the name has existed
since 1554 and that 'shude' refers to the husk of oats. The implication
is that there was a conection with grain, although it isn't clear in what
way. Possibly with brewing?
The book was published in 1985 by a small local history publisher (that
is the company, not the locality, history or publisher!) and is available
at HMSO and other good book shops locally at £3.75 or by mail order.
I should point out that I have absolutely no financial or personal interest
in promoting the book!
But on a personal note, I would be interested in any photos you have/will
have of Jersey Street in Ancoats. My ggg-grandad and gg-grandad gave number
97 as their residence when they married at the Cathedral, the first in
1837 and the other in 1850. As far as I can tell, it wasn't actually where
they lived. The address today is the Cross Keys pub, although I'm not
sure if it was in the same place then. I believe it moved 50 yards or
so to make way for a brass foundry some time after.
Sorry to have rattled on so, but you know my interest in family history!
Ian Rhodes
Stockport
Jersey
Street - Well the only photo I have of that street is this one, showing
St Peters Church in the back ground and a pair of semi-detached houses.
Interesting about the origin of Shude Hill. The local book publisher is
the same as the one mentioned above, Neil
Richardson of 88 Ringley Rd. Stoneclough, Radcliffe, Manchester, M26 9ET.
Name:
john white
Website:
From or connections with: Blackley
Present Location: Toronto
Subject: monument
EWM Photo: statues
Reader Message: Dear Aidan,
First of all, thank you for keeping us all ex-pats in touch with the place
of our birth.
On one of my trips back to the place of my birth, I came across a statue
of President Lincoln...neddless to say, I was stunned. After reading what
I could decipher of the reason for it being there, I asked a few of my
pals about it...it must be the best well kept secret in the City. I went
to the Central Library to see if I could procure a post-card to show my
American friends, none available.
Aiden, in light of recent developments, could you please enlighten me,
and many others who view your most interesting site.
Thank You.
P.S. If you have already covered this subject, I apologise for missing
it.
The statue
is in Brazennose Square, not far from Albert Square, and used to stand
in Platt Fields. It commemorates the support of the Lancashire cotton
workers during the Cotton Famine, around the time of the American Civil
War. The side of the statue displays the text of a letter from Abraham
Lincoln. Unfortunately the text is almost illegible due to the effect
of the elements. There are many examples 'America in Manchester' - I ought
to put together an update on this topic some time.
Name:
Gene Codd
From or connections with: Prestwich,Withington,Didsbury,Wythenshawe Bury.
Present Location: Hamilton Ontario CANADA
Subject: EWM and Readers Messages.
EWM Photo:
Reader Message: Dear Aidan
As explained in my other e-mail I'm still computer novice!
I was so excited this afternoon when I got into the Readers Messages
this afternoon and found your Quiz, and the mention of the "Hippodrome
in Ardwick. I recalled finding mention some time ago in the Manchester
Evening News, of the Aquatic Musicals . I still have vivid memories of
going to a theatre on Oxford Street some time between 1935 -1938 with
my parents to see people singing,dancing and sliding off the roof of a
house? into a large pool of water in the orchestra stall area of the theatre.The
theatre eventually became better known to me as the Gaumont Cinema. I
remember seeing the film South Pacific there in later years. How can I
find out the name of that Aquatic Musical and who the actors were?
I have only found my way in to your website twice, via the Manchester
News site but fully intend to be a regular reader from now on.
I used to live on Bury New Road in Prestwich before WW2 and went to a
Kindergarten School situated between St Annes Road and Park Road South.
I'm wondering whether I may make contact with any long past friends in
the area.I last visited Prestwich in 1997, but did not have enough time
to search my old haunts such as the "Clough" or St Mary's Church.
I'll look for the photos of the house in which I was born and the one
in which I lived on Bury New Road and send them to you later.
Gene Codd
Thank
you - Manchester is certainly a fascinating place - at least it is once
you've departed from it and realise what you've left behind! Here's a
photograph of St Mary's Church, Prestwich.
Name:
N.A Zakaria
Website:
From or connections with: Salford
Present Location: Shah Alam, Malaysia
Subject: Piccadilly Garden
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Reader Message: Dear Aidan,
I lived in Salford for about 2 years (97-99) because I was pursuing my
studies at that time. Having read several messages in this site, appreciate
if you could please tell me what is happening to Piccadilly Gardens? I
loved to sit and watch people at the garden, last time. It was so nice..especially
when spring time where the big tree just full of flowers...I plan to come
again next year to study may be by that time Manchester have a lot of
new changes.Hope it will still preserve most of the unique places/buildings.
Actually, I really enjoyed my days in Manchester and good job Aidan for
all these...That's really good...!!!!
regards,
Nurul
Thank
you very much indeed for your message - wow Shah Alam Malaysia - that's
a first. Piccadilly is currently being redeveloped - ruined is a more
appropriate word in my opinion - and will look very different from the
place you remember from before. Interesting that you have such positive
memories of Piccadilly Gardens and glad you enjoyed your time in Manchester.
We look forward to seeing you again very soon, you are always very very
welcome in Manchester!
Name:
Les Jones
Website:
From or connections with: Blackley.
Present Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada.
Subject: Harpurhey Baths Manchester.
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Reader Message: Dear Aidan,
I have fond memories of Harpurhey baths. As a child I first learned to
swim there,and received my 25yards swimming certificate of which I was
very proud. I have heard recently that there are plans to demolish the
building due to escalating maintenance costs. Because of the unique architecture
of this building, especialy the facia, it would be a real shame if this
stucture were to disappear in a cloud of dust, with no photographic evidence
of the existence of a place of enjoyment for many people. Thank you for
your wonderful photography and dedication in helping to preserve a lifetime
of memories of Manchester, past and present. Les Jones.
Thanks
for your comments. Harpurhey Baths have already been closed down, and
are in a sorry state of repair. What has happened to our cities when historic
public amenities like this are allowed to deteriorate to such a degree.
In an ideal world, this building should be looking new, its interior well
maintained, full of people from the local community, echoing with the
sound of children splashing about in the water and enjoying themselves.
Instead it stands empty, weeds growing in the roof, windows boarded up.
Why?
Name:
Dorothy Messer
Website:
From or connections with: Cheetham Hill
Present Location: Prestwich, Manchester
Subject: The Iron Bridge at Miller Street
EWM Photo:
Reader Message: Dear Aidan
The picture of the iron bridge near Miller Street brought back memories
of a thick fog in or about 1942 (I was about 12 at the time). I was coming
home from school and the No.41 bus from Fallowfield had tipped me off
at Corporation Street - the buses had then stopped running because of
the fog. Somehow I found my way along Corporation Street and onto the
bridge - the only reason I knew where I was, was because of the design
of the ironwork and can remember quite clearly how relieved I was to feel
that familiar outline! The fog in those days was really something - you
literally couldn't see a hand in front of your face. I obviously survived
and got myself back to Squire Street in Cheetham Hill - a long way for
a 12 year old.
We occasionally
have fog, but nothing like the fog, or smog, of the days before the Clean
Air Act. The picture above is a grey and murky view looking from Rochdale
Road towards Manchester city centre - That's Sunley Tower, Piccadilly
Gardens rising up. The tall chimney belongs to the former police station
off Oldham Road.
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